actually i’ve been looking for some video where russell barkley explains how adhd’s problems are not like bipolar or schizophrenia, where there’s something grossly atypical but how it’s just normal problems at an abnormal degree (my words not barkley’s words! just how i remember/understand/interpret barkley’s words)
but can’t quite find the video. maybe it’s one of these or something similar
another way i understand/remember/interpret what barkley said is that schizophrenia has what is called ‘positive symptoms’ in addition to ‘negative symptoms’ while ADHD has just negative symptoms. i figure bipolar is similar in this regard. idk.
> Positive symptoms are those symptoms that are not normally experienced, but are present in people during a psychotic episode in schizophrenia. They include delusions, hallucinations, and disorganized thoughts and speech, typically regarded as manifestations of psychosis.
> Negative symptoms are deficits of normal emotional responses, or of other thought processes.
wait couldn’t find the video, but this what russell barkley once e-mailed me re bipolar in 2016May
I usually use the explanation that ADHD is a neurodevelopment delay, like language disorders or rating disabilities. The development of the neuropsychological traits involved are slower to emerge than in typical people. That is clearly different from a psychopathology, like psychosis or bipolar disorder, in which their is a gross aberration in development. The individual’s sy,toms do NOT resemble an earlier stage of child development, as does ADHD, but is grossly atypical. Psychopathologies are recognizable at nearly an age and their criteria often do not require age group comparisons to determine if they are developmentally inappropriate. Developmental delays like ADHD do require such comparisons as part of the diagnosis.
That’s for sure! Like when you mention your depression and they say, “Oh come on, what’ve you got to be so depressed about?!” Well, condescending jerks who pish-tosh my illness, for one!
“What have you got to be depressed about?” “Low levels of serotonin and dopamine, mostly.”
If overcoming depression were as simple as wanting it to go away, no one would ever be depressed in the first place. Asking someone why they don’t just cheer up is like asking someone why they don’t just get rid of cancer. Because it’s not under their control, duh. If it were, they’d had gotten rid of it already.
yeah it’s a poor choice of words in the professional context. I feel like a better expression would have ‘maxed out’ around “somewhat functioning while seriously affected”.
Another one is “positive” as in positive reinforcement or positive symptoms. They’re not necessarily even positive(good) things. Positive symptoms are better described as “exhibited symptoms” vs the negative “absent behaviours”.
A person doesn’t need to be depressed “about” anything. In some cases depression may start out as a fairly normal response to a tragedy or negative circumstances, but it may also occur for no apparent reason, and tends to continue long after any external stimulus that might have contributed to it is gone. That’s part of what makes it a mental illness and not simply a bad mood. It isn’t rational.
people really think about this for bipolar? i know people think like this for
depression or ADHD but really bipolar? what is the world coming to? next they’ll say the same for those hardcore mental illnesses schizophrenia
https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/12577/whats-the-opposite-of-major-depressive-disorder
actually i’ve been looking for some video where russell barkley explains how adhd’s problems are not like bipolar or schizophrenia, where there’s something grossly atypical but how it’s just normal problems at an abnormal degree (my words not barkley’s words! just how i remember/understand/interpret barkley’s words)
but can’t quite find the video. maybe it’s one of these or something similar
another way i understand/remember/interpret what barkley said is that schizophrenia has what is called ‘positive symptoms’ in addition to ‘negative symptoms’ while ADHD has just negative symptoms. i figure bipolar is similar in this regard. idk.
From wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia):
> Positive symptoms are those symptoms that are not normally experienced, but are present in people during a psychotic episode in schizophrenia. They include delusions, hallucinations, and disorganized thoughts and speech, typically regarded as manifestations of psychosis.
> Negative symptoms are deficits of normal emotional responses, or of other thought processes.
wait couldn’t find the video, but this what russell barkley once e-mailed me re bipolar in 2016May
I usually use the explanation that ADHD is a neurodevelopment delay, like language disorders or rating disabilities. The development of the neuropsychological traits involved are slower to emerge than in typical people. That is clearly different from a psychopathology, like psychosis or bipolar disorder, in which their is a gross aberration in development. The individual’s sy,toms do NOT resemble an earlier stage of child development, as does ADHD, but is grossly atypical. Psychopathologies are recognizable at nearly an age and their criteria often do not require age group comparisons to determine if they are developmentally inappropriate. Developmental delays like ADHD do require such comparisons as part of the diagnosis.
They think like this about pretty much any invisible illness
Invisible illnesses or really any reason to denigrate another persons experience. Those who are gonna denigrate will find or make any excuse.
That’s for sure! Like when you mention your depression and they say, “Oh come on, what’ve you got to be so depressed about?!” Well, condescending jerks who pish-tosh my illness, for one!
“What have you got to be depressed about?”
“Low levels of serotonin and dopamine, mostly.”
If overcoming depression were as simple as wanting it to go away, no one would ever be depressed in the first place. Asking someone why they don’t just cheer up is like asking someone why they don’t just get rid of cancer. Because it’s not under their control, duh. If it were, they’d had gotten rid of it already.
thank you for the new post Clay!
“”High functioning”” anything more like
I don’t have bipolar but the last panel feels like it’s calling me out
yeah it’s a poor choice of words in the professional context. I feel like a better expression would have ‘maxed out’ around “somewhat functioning while seriously affected”.
Another one is “positive” as in positive reinforcement or positive symptoms. They’re not necessarily even positive(good) things. Positive symptoms are better described as “exhibited symptoms” vs the negative “absent behaviours”.
https://www.gocomics.com/cestlavie/2021/05/09
As Mona(Jennifer Babcock) is saying…
A person doesn’t need to be depressed “about” anything. In some cases depression may start out as a fairly normal response to a tragedy or negative circumstances, but it may also occur for no apparent reason, and tends to continue long after any external stimulus that might have contributed to it is gone. That’s part of what makes it a mental illness and not simply a bad mood. It isn’t rational.